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Q. Are all capitalists bad people? A. some are, some aren’t but they all have to exploit workers in order to make a profit. Class and exploitation are objective concepts. They are meant to explain social phenomena. They also imply a strong moral critique of capitalism in general- as a whole. They are not concepts that are meant to explain the personalities or moral character of individuals. Capitalists are compelled by necessity to exploit workers. They have no choice in this issue. Do we blame them or do we blame the system? Often particularly blatant acts of individual exploitation do seem worthy of individual condemnation- we might condemn the GAP for exploiting little girls in Saipan, or WalMart for not paying its workers a living wage- but these individual condemnations have to be seen as part of a larger critique of capitalism in general. Are the individuals who make these decisions bad people? One often wonders how some CEOs go to sleep at night, but contemplating the subjective mentality of the ruling class is more of an aimless subjective past-time than an important issue for economic or social thought. Q.is marx creating a false dichotomy? doesn’t everyone- including capitalists- work? A. Yes, many capitalists may perform various tasks in the course of a work day. But it’s not the type of work but the relation to the means of production. Capitalists may perform labor. But because capitalists own the means of production, they own the social product. They can then …
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@jeebiskebowski. See my video “manufacturing consent”
Exploitation cannot exist with consent.
Good video. One question I rarely hear is, to what extent does capitalism establish a meritocracy? I have my own answer to the question, but for the sake of making a unique youtube comment I won’t spout my own opinion just now. it’s worth thinking about, though, considering the VAST amount of opinion and ideology based on the premise that we live in a meritocracy.
@TheGodofAtheists Capitalists are only necessary because it is a forced institution in our society to have private ownership. If Capital was not in the hands of one or a few people, it would be collective.
@brendanmcooney Same goes for workers. Take McDonalds for example. Without the capitalists and the capital (machinery) all you would have are workers turning their wrists in a field making zero dollars an hour. Workers and Capitalists both need each other, but Capitalists can just call the shots because their more valuable as proved in the example. All it comes down to be choice - are you going to put a gun to a person’s head and force them give another a job? Are you?
@10kensea79. Exploitation means there is a mathematical difference between the value created by workers and the value of wages. Yes capital needs labor. Yes skilled laborers are paid more. But if capital couldn’t make a profit, if it had to pay workers more in wages then the value they created, capital wouldn’t hire workers and it would cease to be capital.
Could it be said that a worker is exploiting the capitalist’s need for labor? Especially skilled workers who are going to provide their labor and skills to the company who they can exploit the most for their own profit?
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Sweet. :D
@nosferotica1 ??? I am the guy with the beard.
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Recently, we have seen “Too Big to Fail” and bailouts, which point to what the beard said about the capitalists unique relationship to the state.
Either way, if you’re talking about a matter of survival justifying exploitative slavery, I think you’ve got a warped moral compass.
i like ur beard
maybe try the video “where does profit come from?”
Can you expand upon the objective aspects of exploitation. I find it difficult to objectively show to others who is being exploited and who isn’t.
It can. Or it can’t. My video “Who is exploited?” might throw some light on the issue.
I work for a public company, so the State can’t exploit you can it?
walmart wont hire crossdressers
god damn well said summary at the end of the first question. Its frustratingly common for people to battle reason with semantics, and lose entirely, sight of the real issues.
Centralization is possible because of the unholy alliance between big business and political power. It is government protection beyond simple property rights (i.e.: favoritism of one company over another ) that allows centralisation. Without protection superhuge business loses its abilitiy to compete due to too many opportunities for energy leakage - as is the case for all things that become too big.
yes, unless they are bailed out? lol
Do you think it’s less exploitative to work for the state (ie capitalist state) OR to work for a private company etc?
Perhaps theres no difference, both make a profit?
some of these capitalists give this answer: if you do not like being exploited then become the exploitor yourself! And, many citizens do this. The perpetual cycle of exploitation by one citizen of other citizens
Survival of what/who?
a bit off topic. Check out this video “The Mystical Body of Business” watch?v=53RYrvaq874&feature=PlayList&p=0F2C121587D3D31A
No it’s a matter of survival. Look, why does a capitalist invest money in a business? To make money. If they can’t make more money from their investment there is no point in investing. All capitalists are competing in the market to make the most money. If they fail to make a profit they have invested for nothing. They will go out of business if they can’t make regular profits.
So it#S all a game to them?
When a capitalist doesn’t try to compete they loose.
What is the reason for this compulsion to compete?